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	<title>Comments on: Can Marketers Ever &#8220;Get&#8221; Social Media?</title>
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		<title>By: John Cass</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-485</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less than I hope, more than I imagine I suspect.

Marketing is practiced at the behest of senior management.

It is to company leaders we must look if marketing is truly going to make headway.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less than I hope, more than I imagine I suspect.</p>
<p>Marketing is practiced at the behest of senior management.</p>
<p>It is to company leaders we must look if marketing is truly going to make headway.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Becker</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-484</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really is a great post and great discussion.

As to &quot;how many marketers practice the trade with the thoughtfulness with which you (rightfully!) ascribe?&quot;

Not many.

The difference is often in understanding qualitative vs. quantitative results. It&#039;s easy to see on blogs, for example. Do you want numbers (lots of hits) or dedicated readers who contribute (fewer hits, but better readers?)

Many marketing folks get caught in the number of widgets instead of how passionate their widget buyers really are. You can make money either way, but when start thinking about all those other crazy factors: sustainability, market share, brand value, yadda, yadda ... suddenly selling numbers alone just doesn&#039;t matter too much.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really is a great post and great discussion.</p>
<p>As to &#8220;how many marketers practice the trade with the thoughtfulness with which you (rightfully!) ascribe?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not many.</p>
<p>The difference is often in understanding qualitative vs. quantitative results. It&#8217;s easy to see on blogs, for example. Do you want numbers (lots of hits) or dedicated readers who contribute (fewer hits, but better readers?)</p>
<p>Many marketing folks get caught in the number of widgets instead of how passionate their widget buyers really are. You can make money either way, but when start thinking about all those other crazy factors: sustainability, market share, brand value, yadda, yadda &#8230; suddenly selling numbers alone just doesn&#8217;t matter too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Defren</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-483</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Defren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Mr. Cass.

So the question becomes: how many marketers practice the trade with the thoughtfulness with which you (rightfully!) ascribe?

More than people think?  Less than people think?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Mr. Cass.</p>
<p>So the question becomes: how many marketers practice the trade with the thoughtfulness with which you (rightfully!) ascribe?</p>
<p>More than people think?  Less than people think?</p>
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		<title>By: John Cass</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 06:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that social media is just about people talking about brands. I think a good part of social media is about conversations that have nothing to do with companies or brands. People talk about the weather, politics, their children, love, sex, and their favorite vacation spot.  That is actually one reason why conversational marketing works so well, the people who are really successful realize that it is more important to build a relationship and connection than it is to sell the brand all the time. Tim Jackson from the MASI Guy blog is one such person &lt;a href=&quot;http://pr.typepad.com/pr_communications/2006/11/blog_reader_res.html.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pr.typepad.com/pr_communications/2006/11/blog_reader_res.html.&lt;/a&gt;

While I do not disagree that marketing is in the final analysis about selling stuff. The approach you take to get there can be either through the sales model or the marketing model.

As a marketing professional, conversational marketing or social media is nothing new to me because the marketing concept is all about listening to customers to understand their needs and wants and attempting to satisfy their needs and wants efficiently, and profitably.  That means I have to listen to customers if I want them to buy stuff, that means I have to converse with them.

So to answer your question, can marketers ever get social media, I answer yes, if they practice real marketing.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that social media is just about people talking about brands. I think a good part of social media is about conversations that have nothing to do with companies or brands. People talk about the weather, politics, their children, love, sex, and their favorite vacation spot.  That is actually one reason why conversational marketing works so well, the people who are really successful realize that it is more important to build a relationship and connection than it is to sell the brand all the time. Tim Jackson from the MASI Guy blog is one such person <a href="http://pr.typepad.com/pr_communications/2006/11/blog_reader_res.html." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://pr.typepad.com/pr_communications/2006/11/blog_reader_res.html" rel="nofollow">http://pr.typepad.com/pr_communications/2006/11/blog_reader_res.html</a>.</p>
<p>While I do not disagree that marketing is in the final analysis about selling stuff. The approach you take to get there can be either through the sales model or the marketing model.</p>
<p>As a marketing professional, conversational marketing or social media is nothing new to me because the marketing concept is all about listening to customers to understand their needs and wants and attempting to satisfy their needs and wants efficiently, and profitably.  That means I have to listen to customers if I want them to buy stuff, that means I have to converse with them.</p>
<p>So to answer your question, can marketers ever get social media, I answer yes, if they practice real marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we really have to apologize for living in a capitalist society where corporations must generate profit? You don&#039;t want to know how much our puppy cost (more than the new VW Beetle my brother bought in 1973). Social media does sell. During the whole Dell exploding laptop fiasco I was soothed by the company people responding on the Dell blog. Nike and many other brands depend on that good feeling you have about the company and the people who wear the product. Companies will not cut back on their branding budget - they just need to direct more to social media. My nephew was the most recent winner of Project Runway. I marveled at how the Blogging Project Runway team boosted recognition and involvement in that program to make it a hit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we really have to apologize for living in a capitalist society where corporations must generate profit? You don&#8217;t want to know how much our puppy cost (more than the new VW Beetle my brother bought in 1973). Social media does sell. During the whole Dell exploding laptop fiasco I was soothed by the company people responding on the Dell blog. Nike and many other brands depend on that good feeling you have about the company and the people who wear the product. Companies will not cut back on their branding budget &#8211; they just need to direct more to social media. My nephew was the most recent winner of Project Runway. I marveled at how the Blogging Project Runway team boosted recognition and involvement in that program to make it a hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Defren</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Defren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard - You raise a good point about why PR is so hard to measure.  How do we capture all those many touchpoints and point out how they led to a purchase?  A debate for the ages.

We aim to please, here at PR-Squared, Jesse. ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard &#8211; You raise a good point about why PR is so hard to measure.  How do we capture all those many touchpoints and point out how they led to a purchase?  A debate for the ages.</p>
<p>We aim to please, here at PR-Squared, Jesse. <img src='http://www.pr-squared.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Ciccone</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Ciccone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

Bravo!

Jesse

PS - I happen to love puppy dogs in general, but as a Boxer owner, the pic you chose really struck a chord!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>Bravo!</p>
<p>Jesse</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I happen to love puppy dogs in general, but as a Boxer owner, the pic you chose really struck a chord!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-3088</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think that using social media is like selling by attrition. Of course social media is about &quot;conversation&quot;, but then if somebody wants to research a purchase or just mess about with creme eggs on YouTube, they will be engaging and observing all types of conversations. They might then actually buy something eventually (be it online or offline)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think that using social media is like selling by attrition. Of course social media is about &#8220;conversation&#8221;, but then if somebody wants to research a purchase or just mess about with creme eggs on YouTube, they will be engaging and observing all types of conversations. They might then actually buy something eventually (be it online or offline)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard O'Connell</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2007/01/can_marketers_ever_get_social/comment-page-1#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard O'Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think that using social media is like selling by attrition. Of course social media is about &quot;conversation&quot;, but then if somebody wants to research a purchase or just mess about with creme eggs on YouTube, they will be engaging and observing all types of conversations. They might then actually buy something eventually (be it online or offline)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think that using social media is like selling by attrition. Of course social media is about &#8220;conversation&#8221;, but then if somebody wants to research a purchase or just mess about with creme eggs on YouTube, they will be engaging and observing all types of conversations. They might then actually buy something eventually (be it online or offline)</p>
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