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	<title>Comments on: Rather Than Target &#8220;A-Listers&#8221; Talk To &#8220;The Usual Susceptibles&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher S. Penn</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/01/rather_than_target_alisters_ta/comment-page-1#comment-1295</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher S. Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you think about it, it&#039;s only logical. Which will be easier - lighting a fire with a single, solitary match or a blowtorch?

Well, it depends on the environment.

A single solitary match in a rainstorm is doomed. Prospects for the blowtorch aren&#039;t great, either.

A blowtorch will get things started very fast in a bone-dry forest - but so will the match.

Where the torch (influencer) may make a difference is if the forest isn&#039;t bone dry, just dry. It may get a fire going that the match can&#039;t. But if you want your product or service to sizzle, look for the bone dry forest to start the fire in no matter what.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think about it, it&#8217;s only logical. Which will be easier &#8211; lighting a fire with a single, solitary match or a blowtorch?</p>
<p>Well, it depends on the environment.</p>
<p>A single solitary match in a rainstorm is doomed. Prospects for the blowtorch aren&#8217;t great, either.</p>
<p>A blowtorch will get things started very fast in a bone-dry forest &#8211; but so will the match.</p>
<p>Where the torch (influencer) may make a difference is if the forest isn&#8217;t bone dry, just dry. It may get a fire going that the match can&#8217;t. But if you want your product or service to sizzle, look for the bone dry forest to start the fire in no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cass</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/01/rather_than_target_alisters_ta/comment-page-1#comment-1294</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this a great argument for listening to customers to know whether what you recommend will have an impact with them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this a great argument for listening to customers to know whether what you recommend will have an impact with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Theus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Theus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the article fascinating, as is the discussion on Guy&#039;s blog which I&#039;ve been following. I tend to think of the &quot;A&quot; List bloggers as good for some quick reach and credibility, but just as a lot of press attention can kill a bad product more quickly, the same is true of the A-Listers. I agree with Watts, you and Scott that the ripenss of the market for just the right product is a much more important piece of the trend puzzle.

What I didn&#039;t like about Thompson&#039;s article was how it portrayed marketers as slick admen uninterested in data and results. Nor did I like the way it insinuated that marketing is all about trying to set fire to the next big trend. That&#039;s the holy grail for some products (particularly in the consumer realm), but the bread and butter of marketing is in measurably ratcheting up sales. A-List bloggers are in that broad &quot;market influencers&quot; category that analysts and trade journalists fall into. A good marketer certainly can&#039;t ignore them and still be doing his/her job well.

I also agree with you that customer/product enthusiasts are the key place to try and light that spark since they certainly may be your best bet for a WOM home run. In addition, if you take care of them they will defend you when you need it, give your sales reps needed references (in an organizational sale) and be your most profitable customers for upgrades, renewals and new product adoptions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the article fascinating, as is the discussion on Guy&#8217;s blog which I&#8217;ve been following. I tend to think of the &#8220;A&#8221; List bloggers as good for some quick reach and credibility, but just as a lot of press attention can kill a bad product more quickly, the same is true of the A-Listers. I agree with Watts, you and Scott that the ripenss of the market for just the right product is a much more important piece of the trend puzzle.</p>
<p>What I didn&#8217;t like about Thompson&#8217;s article was how it portrayed marketers as slick admen uninterested in data and results. Nor did I like the way it insinuated that marketing is all about trying to set fire to the next big trend. That&#8217;s the holy grail for some products (particularly in the consumer realm), but the bread and butter of marketing is in measurably ratcheting up sales. A-List bloggers are in that broad &#8220;market influencers&#8221; category that analysts and trade journalists fall into. A good marketer certainly can&#8217;t ignore them and still be doing his/her job well.</p>
<p>I also agree with you that customer/product enthusiasts are the key place to try and light that spark since they certainly may be your best bet for a WOM home run. In addition, if you take care of them they will defend you when you need it, give your sales reps needed references (in an organizational sale) and be your most profitable customers for upgrades, renewals and new product adoptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Todd -

It&#039;s nice to see people speaking in a balanced manner about the strengths of both &quot;social media&quot; philosophies and &quot;mass market&quot; traditional advertising. New ideas don&#039;t replace old ones, and many of the typical pundits shouting out the virtues of 2.0/Twitter/WOM as the only new alternative are ignoring the ongoing mass and inertia of mass media and traditional brand messaging, it hasn&#039;t gone away. You really can have both!

They certainly do interact and impact each other  - I&#039;ve posted a few times about WOM really pushing transparency and truthful branding in marketing further along than it&#039;s been in the past.

Thanks as always for an enjoyable and thoughtful post to read.

Cheers
Harry
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harrybishop.ca&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.harrybishop.ca&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Todd -</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to see people speaking in a balanced manner about the strengths of both &#8220;social media&#8221; philosophies and &#8220;mass market&#8221; traditional advertising. New ideas don&#8217;t replace old ones, and many of the typical pundits shouting out the virtues of 2.0/Twitter/WOM as the only new alternative are ignoring the ongoing mass and inertia of mass media and traditional brand messaging, it hasn&#8217;t gone away. You really can have both!</p>
<p>They certainly do interact and impact each other  &#8211; I&#8217;ve posted a few times about WOM really pushing transparency and truthful branding in marketing further along than it&#8217;s been in the past.</p>
<p>Thanks as always for an enjoyable and thoughtful post to read.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Harry<br />
<a href="http://www.harrybishop.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.harrybishop.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jen Zingsheim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Zingsheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A spot-on post. Repeatedly, we see the studies that say individuals trust recommendations from &quot;someone like me.&quot;

Sure, I like Oprah&#039;s &quot;favorite things&quot; recommendations, but I&#039;d still value my mom&#039;s or best friend&#039;s opinion about a product or a service more--and, since they know me, they are more likely to pass on information that is truly relevant to me. They wouldn&#039;t spend any time talking to me about the HDTV Fridge she featured, because they know I&#039;m not only not in the market for a fridge, but that I think having a TV in the fridge door is a very silly idea.

My guess is that marketing and PR types aren&#039;t wild about this because it&#039;s almost impossible to measure. If you find an Oprah or equivalent, the show airs, and sales skyrocket, it&#039;s fairly simple to prove that the influential had an impact.

As an alternate example, I recently purchased a Flip camera after sitting with Sarah Wurrey and Susan Getgood at a table at a PRSA/SMC-Boston event, and watching them use theirs. No way to track that, other than my self-reporting--and this likely happens thousands of times a day with other products. Since it&#039;s so dispersed, you can assume that good WOM is driving sales, but it&#039;s almost impossible to quantify. That doesn&#039;t mean you shouldn&#039;t do it...

And, more food for thought...how many people see something on a blog and then talk about it in the break room, at dinner with friends, etc.? No way to track that either...a blog&#039;s reach can go way beyond links/trackbacks, etc.

Jen
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A spot-on post. Repeatedly, we see the studies that say individuals trust recommendations from &#8220;someone like me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, I like Oprah&#8217;s &#8220;favorite things&#8221; recommendations, but I&#8217;d still value my mom&#8217;s or best friend&#8217;s opinion about a product or a service more&#8211;and, since they know me, they are more likely to pass on information that is truly relevant to me. They wouldn&#8217;t spend any time talking to me about the HDTV Fridge she featured, because they know I&#8217;m not only not in the market for a fridge, but that I think having a TV in the fridge door is a very silly idea.</p>
<p>My guess is that marketing and PR types aren&#8217;t wild about this because it&#8217;s almost impossible to measure. If you find an Oprah or equivalent, the show airs, and sales skyrocket, it&#8217;s fairly simple to prove that the influential had an impact.</p>
<p>As an alternate example, I recently purchased a Flip camera after sitting with Sarah Wurrey and Susan Getgood at a table at a PRSA/SMC-Boston event, and watching them use theirs. No way to track that, other than my self-reporting&#8211;and this likely happens thousands of times a day with other products. Since it&#8217;s so dispersed, you can assume that good WOM is driving sales, but it&#8217;s almost impossible to quantify. That doesn&#8217;t mean you shouldn&#8217;t do it&#8230;</p>
<p>And, more food for thought&#8230;how many people see something on a blog and then talk about it in the break room, at dinner with friends, etc.? No way to track that either&#8230;a blog&#8217;s reach can go way beyond links/trackbacks, etc.</p>
<p>Jen</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Falls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Falls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Todd. And thanks for the cap tip. In a round-about way, the point of what you highlight really is &quot;content is king.&quot; If the idea is right, it will catch fire, regardless of who lights the spark. Our clients are in search of the mechanism to tell their story. Sometimes, however, their story isn&#039;t compelling.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Todd. And thanks for the cap tip. In a round-about way, the point of what you highlight really is &#8220;content is king.&#8221; If the idea is right, it will catch fire, regardless of who lights the spark. Our clients are in search of the mechanism to tell their story. Sometimes, however, their story isn&#8217;t compelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree. I actually hit upon this, believe it or not, last May: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scottmonty.com/2007/05/accidential-influentials.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.scottmonty.com/2007/05/accidential-influentials.html&lt;/a&gt;

The analogy used was that of a forest fire: the size of it has little to do with the size of the spark that started it, and lots to do with the state of the forest.

But it&#039;s a combination of knowing where to engage the &quot;sparks,&quot; how to interact with them in their communities, and which ones will have the likelihood of helping spread the message. I revisited this in a post titled &quot;Keep the Tip(ping Point)&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scottmonty.com/2008/01/keep-tipping-point.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.scottmonty.com/2008/01/keep-tipping-point.html&lt;/a&gt;

But any marketer or PR practitioner needs to go into this exercise with eyes wide open. Past results do not necessarily guarantee future performance, and most importantly: reach does not necessarily equate with action.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree. I actually hit upon this, believe it or not, last May: <a href="http://www.scottmonty.com/2007/05/accidential-influentials.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scottmonty.com/2007/05/accidential-influentials.html</a></p>
<p>The analogy used was that of a forest fire: the size of it has little to do with the size of the spark that started it, and lots to do with the state of the forest.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a combination of knowing where to engage the &#8220;sparks,&#8221; how to interact with them in their communities, and which ones will have the likelihood of helping spread the message. I revisited this in a post titled &#8220;Keep the Tip(ping Point)&#8221; <a href="http://www.scottmonty.com/2008/01/keep-tipping-point.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scottmonty.com/2008/01/keep-tipping-point.html</a></p>
<p>But any marketer or PR practitioner needs to go into this exercise with eyes wide open. Past results do not necessarily guarantee future performance, and most importantly: reach does not necessarily equate with action.</p>
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