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	<title>Comments on: PR-Squared&#8217;s Social Media Tactics Series: Untangling Claims About Wire Services &amp; Social Media</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-2#comment-3165</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael:

Thanks for your comments.  We love healthy discussion. :)

First off: sorry if you feel slighted. It wasn’t our intention.  When researching for this grid, we decided to provide the PR Squared readers with information from exactly the same sources they would contact when setting up their own releases: the local sales reps.  To double-check the accuracy of our information, local reps were contacted twice before publishing.  In the case of PRNewswire, we were advised to contact representatives from your multimedia group, Multi-Vu.

The ability to create RSS feeds to corporate newswires managed by PRNewswire was not an option given by the reps Multi-Vu Reps, and we couldn’t find it in any literature on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/brochures.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  Multi-Vu MNR website&lt;/a&gt;.  RSS feeds to a corporate newsroom are a big must, IMHO, so I really did a lot of probing to verify.  Had we know, we would have gladly denoted that in the spreadsheet.

In regards to the ability to include comments, I mostly agree with you.  I think comments should be housed on the corporate website, but with the ability to input them directly from the release.  Marketwire does a great job of this.  When asked about comments, one Multi-Vu rep stated that PRNewswire felt that comments should be kept on the company’s blog or website, and suggested we repost the release on our blog to facilitate that conversation.

Finally, an updated news ticker was our way of describing what Social Media Group calls “&lt;a href=&quot;http://socialmediagroup.ca/2008/01/21/the-social-media-press-release-digital-snippets/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Digital Snippets&lt;/a&gt;.”  It’s basically an update to the SMR of company news, photos, etc. Since Maggie thought this was important, we decided to include it in our grid.

Blogs are great because the comments can be a great realm for discussion, while adding insight that might not be found in the original post.  I’m excited that you commented, and, once again, sorry if you feel slighted for not being contacted.  We really wanted to present a post reflecting a typical end-user experience.

Best,

Chris


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael:</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.  We love healthy discussion. <img src='http://www.pr-squared.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>First off: sorry if you feel slighted. It wasn’t our intention.  When researching for this grid, we decided to provide the PR Squared readers with information from exactly the same sources they would contact when setting up their own releases: the local sales reps.  To double-check the accuracy of our information, local reps were contacted twice before publishing.  In the case of PRNewswire, we were advised to contact representatives from your multimedia group, Multi-Vu.</p>
<p>The ability to create RSS feeds to corporate newswires managed by PRNewswire was not an option given by the reps Multi-Vu Reps, and we couldn’t find it in any literature on the <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/brochures.shtml" rel="nofollow">  Multi-Vu MNR website</a>.  RSS feeds to a corporate newsroom are a big must, IMHO, so I really did a lot of probing to verify.  Had we know, we would have gladly denoted that in the spreadsheet.</p>
<p>In regards to the ability to include comments, I mostly agree with you.  I think comments should be housed on the corporate website, but with the ability to input them directly from the release.  Marketwire does a great job of this.  When asked about comments, one Multi-Vu rep stated that PRNewswire felt that comments should be kept on the company’s blog or website, and suggested we repost the release on our blog to facilitate that conversation.</p>
<p>Finally, an updated news ticker was our way of describing what Social Media Group calls “<a href="http://socialmediagroup.ca/2008/01/21/the-social-media-press-release-digital-snippets/" rel="nofollow">Digital Snippets</a>.”  It’s basically an update to the SMR of company news, photos, etc. Since Maggie thought this was important, we decided to include it in our grid.</p>
<p>Blogs are great because the comments can be a great realm for discussion, while adding insight that might not be found in the original post.  I’m excited that you commented, and, once again, sorry if you feel slighted for not being contacted.  We really wanted to present a post reflecting a typical end-user experience.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pranikoff</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-2#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Pranikoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, I wanted to clarify a few things that seemed to have been missed in the research that was done for this project.

-- PR Newswire does provide an RSS feed to a corporate newsroom or corporate news archive when a client has that service from PR Newswire.  This is actually a service that PR Newswire has had for a few years now called MediaRoom.  We have actually been offering this type of service in various forms for years.

--PR Newswire CAN provide the ability for our clients to add comments to Mutlimedia News Releases when our clients ask us to  -  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/njtc/30238/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/njtc/30238/&lt;/a&gt;  However, the fact is that very few clients have actually asked for this feature.  Many clients (and I have to say that I agree with them) don&#039;t want to allow comments on their news releases where it is not easy for them to monitor.  Many clients - especially in the healthcare / pharmaceutical  industry and especially with public companies have to be very wary about allowing this on the official word of the company.  I&#039;ve always thought - and call me a little old fashion - that the purpose of a news release is to enable conversation, but not necessarily be the vehicle for that conversation.  The media (blogs and traditional press) are where those conversations should take place.  Those conversations should take place on the client&#039;s corporate website - if they want to allow it for better monitoring - but IMO those conversations shouldn&#039;t take place on our site.  Let me repeat though, we CAN host comments for further conversation.

--In regards to &quot;Updated News Ticker&quot;, I&#039;m going to be honest that I&#039;m not sure what you mean here.  I&#039;m not sure if you are talking about additional information in regards to a public company with a ticker symbol or a link to additional releases by that company - both of these PR Newswire can provide (ticker symbol - when included in the release - will link to additional information providing a company snapshot; additional news releases from the company being an additional service which is similar to both BusinessWire and MarketWire).


Again, I wanted to clarify the above since I was not contacted by the person who researched this story.

Thanks,

Michael Pranikoff
Director, Emerging Media
PR Newswire


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, I wanted to clarify a few things that seemed to have been missed in the research that was done for this project.</p>
<p>&#8211; PR Newswire does provide an RSS feed to a corporate newsroom or corporate news archive when a client has that service from PR Newswire.  This is actually a service that PR Newswire has had for a few years now called MediaRoom.  We have actually been offering this type of service in various forms for years.</p>
<p>&#8211;PR Newswire CAN provide the ability for our clients to add comments to Mutlimedia News Releases when our clients ask us to  &#8211;  <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/njtc/30238/" rel="nofollow">http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/njtc/30238/</a>  However, the fact is that very few clients have actually asked for this feature.  Many clients (and I have to say that I agree with them) don&#8217;t want to allow comments on their news releases where it is not easy for them to monitor.  Many clients &#8211; especially in the healthcare / pharmaceutical  industry and especially with public companies have to be very wary about allowing this on the official word of the company.  I&#8217;ve always thought &#8211; and call me a little old fashion &#8211; that the purpose of a news release is to enable conversation, but not necessarily be the vehicle for that conversation.  The media (blogs and traditional press) are where those conversations should take place.  Those conversations should take place on the client&#8217;s corporate website &#8211; if they want to allow it for better monitoring &#8211; but IMO those conversations shouldn&#8217;t take place on our site.  Let me repeat though, we CAN host comments for further conversation.</p>
<p>&#8211;In regards to &#8220;Updated News Ticker&#8221;, I&#8217;m going to be honest that I&#8217;m not sure what you mean here.  I&#8217;m not sure if you are talking about additional information in regards to a public company with a ticker symbol or a link to additional releases by that company &#8211; both of these PR Newswire can provide (ticker symbol &#8211; when included in the release &#8211; will link to additional information providing a company snapshot; additional news releases from the company being an additional service which is similar to both BusinessWire and MarketWire).</p>
<p>Again, I wanted to clarify the above since I was not contacted by the person who researched this story.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Michael Pranikoff<br />
Director, Emerging Media<br />
PR Newswire</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Parker, Chief Executive, webitpr</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-1#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Parker, Chief Executive, webitpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually have just reread my comment and wanted to point out that this wasnt meant as a criticism of socialmeter.com - a great little tool. Merely pointing out that its use in this particular case as a comparison measure, given the sites involved, was flawed in my opinion. Cheers. Adam
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		<title>By: Todd Defren</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-1#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Defren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I didn&#039;t mind Steven&#039;s chart and more to the point, I am now fascinated by the differences between your comment and Joe&#039;s (PRWeb)... food for thought. Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I didn&#8217;t mind Steven&#8217;s chart and more to the point, I am now fascinated by the differences between your comment and Joe&#8217;s (PRWeb)&#8230; food for thought. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Parker, Chief Executive, webitpr</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-1#comment-3164</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Parker, Chief Executive, webitpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe

I think you will find on greater analysis that the socialmeter scores you quote are rather misleading as a measure of participation.
The actual breakdown of these scores is as follows:

Delicious - BW(35) PRN(720) MW(107) PRW(924)
Digg - BW(2) PRN(16) MW(1) PRW(2)
Furl All Nil
Google BW(11000) PRN(10300) MW(4580) PRW(20900)
Reddit All Nil
Sphere BW(599) PRN(1536) MW(1234) PRW(5647)
Spurl All Nil
Techno BW(12410) PRN(45135) MW(16634) PRW(150582)
Yahoo BW(1) PRN(6) MW(3) PRW(20)
Total BW(24047) PRN(57723) MW(22559) PRW(178075)
(Slightly different numbers as a day old!)

There are a number of things to note about these scores:

1. The small number of bookmarking saves is because socialmeter.com is only measuring saves of the home page for each site. As all of these sites have their releases on individual urls this means that this number doesn’t include any saves of individual releases. An example from our own releases would be the url &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webitpr.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=6671&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.webitpr.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=6671&lt;/a&gt;
This url alone has 19 delicious saves, whereas a search for www.webitpr.com only results in 3!

2. The Google links measure is the same with only links to the home page url being measured.

3. The Sphere score is misleading as it looks at words rather than specific urls which results in YouTube for instance only scoring 442 by this measure.

4. The Technorati score is the number of links to the site. However in the unfortunate age of spam blogs these figures are also spurious. As these sites are high traffic sites with significant amounts of content they come in for attack a lot - as I am sure you know and love :) A quick review of the links shown will indicate that the proportion of genuine links is likely to be as low as 5% in some of these cases.

The effect of these things is to (probably)massively underestimate some parts of the scores and similarly overestimate others. In short I dont really think they indicate anything of substance in relation to any of the wires mentioned :)

Todd - Sorry for the lengthy comment and many thanks for the handy guide by the way and hope you didn’t mind Stephen’s take on it :)

Cheers
Adam

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe</p>
<p>I think you will find on greater analysis that the socialmeter scores you quote are rather misleading as a measure of participation.<br />
The actual breakdown of these scores is as follows:</p>
<p>Delicious &#8211; BW(35) PRN(720) MW(107) PRW(924)<br />
Digg &#8211; BW(2) PRN(16) MW(1) PRW(2)<br />
Furl All Nil<br />
Google BW(11000) PRN(10300) MW(4580) PRW(20900)<br />
Reddit All Nil<br />
Sphere BW(599) PRN(1536) MW(1234) PRW(5647)<br />
Spurl All Nil<br />
Techno BW(12410) PRN(45135) MW(16634) PRW(150582)<br />
Yahoo BW(1) PRN(6) MW(3) PRW(20)<br />
Total BW(24047) PRN(57723) MW(22559) PRW(178075)<br />
(Slightly different numbers as a day old!)</p>
<p>There are a number of things to note about these scores:</p>
<p>1. The small number of bookmarking saves is because socialmeter.com is only measuring saves of the home page for each site. As all of these sites have their releases on individual urls this means that this number doesn’t include any saves of individual releases. An example from our own releases would be the url <a href="http://www.webitpr.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=6671" rel="nofollow">http://www.webitpr.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=6671</a><br />
This url alone has 19 delicious saves, whereas a search for <a href="http://www.webitpr.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.webitpr.com</a> only results in 3!</p>
<p>2. The Google links measure is the same with only links to the home page url being measured.</p>
<p>3. The Sphere score is misleading as it looks at words rather than specific urls which results in YouTube for instance only scoring 442 by this measure.</p>
<p>4. The Technorati score is the number of links to the site. However in the unfortunate age of spam blogs these figures are also spurious. As these sites are high traffic sites with significant amounts of content they come in for attack a lot &#8211; as I am sure you know and love <img src='http://www.pr-squared.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  A quick review of the links shown will indicate that the proportion of genuine links is likely to be as low as 5% in some of these cases.</p>
<p>The effect of these things is to (probably)massively underestimate some parts of the scores and similarly overestimate others. In short I dont really think they indicate anything of substance in relation to any of the wires mentioned <img src='http://www.pr-squared.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Todd &#8211; Sorry for the lengthy comment and many thanks for the handy guide by the way and hope you didn’t mind Stephen’s take on it <img src='http://www.pr-squared.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Adam</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Fleet</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-1#comment-1322</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Fleet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Todd and Chris,

Great survey - this is a very useful tool. Thanks!

A suggestion for an evolution of this: a second section that has a few more details of the services. For example, while PRWeb lets you include links (at a certain price point), they limit the number you can use.

This kind of detail would be very helpful to know up-front instead of finding out down the road when you&#039;ve already paid for your release.

Again, thanks for this.

Dave
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Todd and Chris,</p>
<p>Great survey &#8211; this is a very useful tool. Thanks!</p>
<p>A suggestion for an evolution of this: a second section that has a few more details of the services. For example, while PRWeb lets you include links (at a certain price point), they limit the number you can use.</p>
<p>This kind of detail would be very helpful to know up-front instead of finding out down the road when you&#8217;ve already paid for your release.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for this.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Beaulaurier</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-1#comment-1321</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Beaulaurier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

Thank you for including PRWeb in this feature detail. The PRWeb column looks accurate.

Do know PRWeb does provide for embedded video that&#039;s hosted on YouTube, Google, Yahoo, etc. I do realize that is different from hosting and pushing the video as I think your criteria is identifying.

Also note all the features indicated in the PRWeb column were already in place when the social media release template was released. We&#039;ve been &quot;getting it&quot; for a long time as have our clients.

Given the topic at hand is the social media release, it is relevant to consider the social media pickup rates for each service. This is an indication of where those who participate in social media are watching.

The site socialmeter.com does this fairly well. Inserting prweb.com and the others into this meter reveals the following Social Meter values:

Marketwire: 17,876
PRNewswire: 56,535
BusinessWire: 23,043
PRWeb: 176,735


Thanks again for publishing this information.
Regards,

Joe Beaulaurier
PRWeb

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>Thank you for including PRWeb in this feature detail. The PRWeb column looks accurate.</p>
<p>Do know PRWeb does provide for embedded video that&#8217;s hosted on YouTube, Google, Yahoo, etc. I do realize that is different from hosting and pushing the video as I think your criteria is identifying.</p>
<p>Also note all the features indicated in the PRWeb column were already in place when the social media release template was released. We&#8217;ve been &#8220;getting it&#8221; for a long time as have our clients.</p>
<p>Given the topic at hand is the social media release, it is relevant to consider the social media pickup rates for each service. This is an indication of where those who participate in social media are watching.</p>
<p>The site socialmeter.com does this fairly well. Inserting prweb.com and the others into this meter reveals the following Social Meter values:</p>
<p>Marketwire: 17,876<br />
PRNewswire: 56,535<br />
BusinessWire: 23,043<br />
PRWeb: 176,735</p>
<p>Thanks again for publishing this information.<br />
Regards,</p>
<p>Joe Beaulaurier<br />
PRWeb</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Schawbel</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-1#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Schawbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification everyone.
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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-1#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great survey, thanks!
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		<title>By: Stephen Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/02/prsquareds_social_media_tactic_6/comment-page-1#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece of work SHIFT (and Chris).

Why do they charge additional money to add a YouTube (or any other social networking) video? It doesn&#039;t cost them a thing.

And how much bandwidth does an image take up these days?

Call me biased (cos I am) but our SMNR platform has all of these features and then some.

@Dan Bloggers take media from SMNRs. Images, video and audio (as long as the latter two can be embedded.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece of work SHIFT (and Chris).</p>
<p>Why do they charge additional money to add a YouTube (or any other social networking) video? It doesn&#8217;t cost them a thing.</p>
<p>And how much bandwidth does an image take up these days?</p>
<p>Call me biased (cos I am) but our SMNR platform has all of these features and then some.</p>
<p>@Dan Bloggers take media from SMNRs. Images, video and audio (as long as the latter two can be embedded.)</p>
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