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		<title>By: Social Networking Software</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/11/roi_for_social_media_marketing/comment-page-3#comment-20534</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Networking Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;measuring ROI is a fool’s errand.&quot; I disagree completely. Measuring ROI is the backbone of a well executed marketing plan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;measuring ROI is a fool’s errand.&#8221; I disagree completely. Measuring ROI is the backbone of a well executed marketing plan!</p>
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		<title>By: planetwebfoot</title>
		<link>http://www.pr-squared.com/index.php/2008/11/roi_for_social_media_marketing/comment-page-3#comment-18230</link>
		<dc:creator>planetwebfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, thanks for the insightful information. It certianly will take hard data to convince many that social networking will increase the bottom line, but even now some of the nay-sayers are coming around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, thanks for the insightful information. It certianly will take hard data to convince many that social networking will increase the bottom line, but even now some of the nay-sayers are coming around.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article! I especially like the quote from Jeremiah Owyang. Trying to measure ROI in Social media is just like trying to put a dollar value on the family photo album, it all depends on who is looking at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article! I especially like the quote from Jeremiah Owyang. Trying to measure ROI in Social media is just like trying to put a dollar value on the family photo album, it all depends on who is looking at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Zoethout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Zoethout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is still an actual problem. It would be great if you were able to give an update on this, a year after...
But great article.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is still an actual problem. It would be great if you were able to give an update on this, a year after&#8230;<br />
But great article.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kihlstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Kihlstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insights, and it sounds like we&#039;re all getting these questions from current and potential clients.  I think we definitely need to strike a balance between defining what metrics are meaningful and going after those, and being open and honest that there are some social interactions that are difficult to put a dollar amount on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insights, and it sounds like we&#8217;re all getting these questions from current and potential clients.  I think we definitely need to strike a balance between defining what metrics are meaningful and going after those, and being open and honest that there are some social interactions that are difficult to put a dollar amount on.</p>
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		<title>By: danavan (Dana VanDen Heuvel)</title>
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		<dc:creator>danavan (Dana VanDen Heuvel)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 06:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: olivier blanchard</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Axel, don&#039;t look for an equation, brother. Too many variable in the execution to have a cookie-cutter formula. Look for a method. It&#039;s a multi-step process. ;)</description>
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		<title>By: olivier blanchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>olivier blanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, no, no, no and no. With all due respect to Dr. McAfee, he doesn&#039;t know what he is talking about. That is the problem with many academics: Too much time in the classroom or the lab, and not enough time actually doing the work in the trenches. 

1. ROI is media-agnostic. The method for measuring ROI is the same regardless of the media... or the activity or exercise. With ROI, you measure the financial-impact of an activity or series of activities. It&#039;s purely a P&amp;L exercise in which ROI is either a cost reduction or an increase in revenue. Period. When a change in the existing strategy or tactical execution of a program also creates a change in either revenue or cost control, you&#039;re at the start of an ROI conversation.

2. R.O.I. is a financial calculation. Things like attention, authority, participation and influence are &quot;impacts&quot;, not R.O.I. Do they play into the connect-the-dots process of action--&gt;reaction--&gt;impact--&gt;ROI? Yes. So measuring the right things matters, but they do not in and of themselves represent ROI. Not in this or any universe.

3. The scientific method applied to business is the bulk of the process that leads to the determination of the ROI of an action (or series of actions). All things remaining the same (set up a control group to test your theory if you must), a change in the system resulting in a change in behavior resulting in a change in revenue is pretty easy to spot. Whether correlation or cause-and-effect, connecting the dots between action, reaction, impact and financial deltas isn&#039;t hard. 

4. The actual ROI calculation (money in, money out) is the last step in the connecting-the-dots process and is VERY simple. If you know how much a program has cost and you can calculate the delta in your P&amp;L&#039;s outcome, you&#039;re 80% of the way there. Any first year MBA student should be able to do this.

The fact that so many &quot;experts&quot; don&#039;t understand how to calculate ROI does not mean that the ROI of Social Media cannot be calculated. It can, and it is. You just can&#039;t rely on &quot;experts&quot; whose background has been in questionable measurement to begin with (media and/or marketing measurement) to suddenly figure out that what they have been measuring all these years was either irrelevant, secondary to real business measurement or in some cases completely bogus. (Impressions? Really?)  Statements like Dr. McAfee&#039;s betray a lack of understanding of the process rather than validation of his uninformed opinion. Don&#039;t fall into that trap, Todd. These people are dragging you down the wrong path with this BS. The Earth isn&#039;t flat, I swear. ;D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, no, no and no. With all due respect to Dr. McAfee, he doesn&#8217;t know what he is talking about. That is the problem with many academics: Too much time in the classroom or the lab, and not enough time actually doing the work in the trenches. </p>
<p>1. ROI is media-agnostic. The method for measuring ROI is the same regardless of the media&#8230; or the activity or exercise. With ROI, you measure the financial-impact of an activity or series of activities. It&#8217;s purely a P&amp;L exercise in which ROI is either a cost reduction or an increase in revenue. Period. When a change in the existing strategy or tactical execution of a program also creates a change in either revenue or cost control, you&#8217;re at the start of an ROI conversation.</p>
<p>2. R.O.I. is a financial calculation. Things like attention, authority, participation and influence are &#8220;impacts&#8221;, not R.O.I. Do they play into the connect-the-dots process of action&#8211;&gt;reaction&#8211;&gt;impact&#8211;&gt;ROI? Yes. So measuring the right things matters, but they do not in and of themselves represent ROI. Not in this or any universe.</p>
<p>3. The scientific method applied to business is the bulk of the process that leads to the determination of the ROI of an action (or series of actions). All things remaining the same (set up a control group to test your theory if you must), a change in the system resulting in a change in behavior resulting in a change in revenue is pretty easy to spot. Whether correlation or cause-and-effect, connecting the dots between action, reaction, impact and financial deltas isn&#8217;t hard. </p>
<p>4. The actual ROI calculation (money in, money out) is the last step in the connecting-the-dots process and is VERY simple. If you know how much a program has cost and you can calculate the delta in your P&amp;L&#8217;s outcome, you&#8217;re 80% of the way there. Any first year MBA student should be able to do this.</p>
<p>The fact that so many &#8220;experts&#8221; don&#8217;t understand how to calculate ROI does not mean that the ROI of Social Media cannot be calculated. It can, and it is. You just can&#8217;t rely on &#8220;experts&#8221; whose background has been in questionable measurement to begin with (media and/or marketing measurement) to suddenly figure out that what they have been measuring all these years was either irrelevant, secondary to real business measurement or in some cases completely bogus. (Impressions? Really?)  Statements like Dr. McAfee&#8217;s betray a lack of understanding of the process rather than validation of his uninformed opinion. Don&#8217;t fall into that trap, Todd. These people are dragging you down the wrong path with this BS. The Earth isn&#8217;t flat, I swear. ;D</p>
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		<title>By: Stina633 (Christina)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom_Collins (Tom_Collins)</title>
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