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		<title>By: Meredith Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what you say Todd that Wikipedia needs to stay with the facts. I was doing some research for a project and glanced at a Wikipedia site for NIKE I thought that it was very promotional. I am a journalism student, we&#039;re taught to write the facts and leave out the jargon. I think it is very important to realize that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for people to find out needed information and it does not need to be abused by marketers to promote their company. Let Wikipedia deliver the facts and let the readers decide their  stance on the companies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what you say Todd that Wikipedia needs to stay with the facts. I was doing some research for a project and glanced at a Wikipedia site for NIKE I thought that it was very promotional. I am a journalism student, we&#8217;re taught to write the facts and leave out the jargon. I think it is very important to realize that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for people to find out needed information and it does not need to be abused by marketers to promote their company. Let Wikipedia deliver the facts and let the readers decide their  stance on the companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Kohs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Kohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, with a 100% success rate on the paid articles that I published pseudonymously, without disclosure, on Wikipedia, I must have a certain talent for knowing where to draw the lines at &quot;promo copy&quot; and &quot;lacking sources&quot;.

As an example, you may want to check out an article of mine that (while not paid for) is fairly typical of my work:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fuel_Gas&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fuel_Gas&lt;/a&gt;

Does it read too much like a brochure?  I don&#039;t think so.  Do you learn anything new within the article?  I certainly did.  Is it properly sourced?  Better than most Wikipedia pages.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, with a 100% success rate on the paid articles that I published pseudonymously, without disclosure, on Wikipedia, I must have a certain talent for knowing where to draw the lines at &#8220;promo copy&#8221; and &#8220;lacking sources&#8221;.</p>
<p>As an example, you may want to check out an article of mine that (while not paid for) is fairly typical of my work:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fuel_Gas" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fuel_Gas</a></p>
<p>Does it read too much like a brochure?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Do you learn anything new within the article?  I certainly did.  Is it properly sourced?  Better than most Wikipedia pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana Tugbaeva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatiana Tugbaeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,
I think you&#039;ve said it &quot;Whatever you do, don’t ask your PR firm to get involved directly in the editing.&quot; The last time I tried to create an article about the company I worked for, I tried to make it as neutral as possible. The article still got deleted... because of the lack of sources.

@Gregory - I understand the people you are talking about have certain connections within Wikipedia. For the rest of us the rules still remain the same - if you are writing a promo copy or don&#039;t have enough sources to support what you are saying, your article will be questioned and probably deleted. And as a social media user, I kinda like it. When I go to Wikipedia I want to learn something and not read an online version of your brochure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,<br />
I think you&#8217;ve said it &#8220;Whatever you do, don’t ask your PR firm to get involved directly in the editing.&#8221; The last time I tried to create an article about the company I worked for, I tried to make it as neutral as possible. The article still got deleted&#8230; because of the lack of sources.</p>
<p>@Gregory &#8211; I understand the people you are talking about have certain connections within Wikipedia. For the rest of us the rules still remain the same &#8211; if you are writing a promo copy or don&#8217;t have enough sources to support what you are saying, your article will be questioned and probably deleted. And as a social media user, I kinda like it. When I go to Wikipedia I want to learn something and not read an online version of your brochure.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Kohs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Kohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Todd: Thank you for describing my comment as &quot;fascinating&quot;, but I wonder why you consider my suggestions a &quot;scam&quot;?  Take a look at the Wikipedia article about [[Elonka Dunin]], a frequent and popular &quot;in-house&quot; contributor to the project.  Then take a look at the Wikipedia article about [[Carolyn Doran]] (the former Wikimedia Foundation COO who was a convicted felon).  Do you feel that both articles appropriately address each subject neutrally?  Do you feel that each has received attention equal to their real-world notability?  Do you feel that the co-founder of Wikipedia using private back-channels to &quot;help out&quot; a lover&#039;s article is an appropriate use of the project&#039;s labor and goodwill?

You&#039;re recommending to your readers that they tie one arm behind their backs and &quot;play nice&quot;, while their competitors engage Wikipedia in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY the co-founder and his insiders engage the project -- to their own self-interested benefit.

That&#039;s bad advice to your readers, at least in a capitalist economy.

Final note: don&#039;t fall into the tired old pablum which states that &quot;paid content is not as high quality or of good use to the average reader as voluntarily-written content&quot;.  I assure you, Wikipedia readers are much better served by a paid-entity seeding an article about Company XYZ, than relying on the &quot;volunteer community&quot; to launch (perhaps next week, perhaps next month, perhaps never!) an article about Company XYZ, or (even worse) promptly writing a garbage article that contains false information, an undue quantity of criticism, and a complete misunderstanding of the business.

Right now, the Wikipedia article about [[Comcast]] has a &quot;Category&quot; at the bottom which states:

Companies based in Mississippi

Oh, really?  Yeah, I guess Comcast is based in Mississippi in the same way it&#039;s based in Illinois, and Georgia, and Massachusetts, and Arizona, but those states aren&#039;t similarly categorized around the Comcast article.

About seven days ago, I informed the &quot;Wikipedia community volunteers&quot; of how misleading this is (to define Comcast as &quot;based in Mississippi&quot;), but their effort to correct this perplexing information was half-hearted and ultimately not resolved.

If they fail on something this simple to correct, how do you think they will do on something really important and contentious?

Yet, you would prefer beating your head against the Wikipedia wall, abiding by their rules that their leaders habitually ignore?  Good luck with that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Todd: Thank you for describing my comment as &#8220;fascinating&#8221;, but I wonder why you consider my suggestions a &#8220;scam&#8221;?  Take a look at the Wikipedia article about [[Elonka Dunin]], a frequent and popular &#8220;in-house&#8221; contributor to the project.  Then take a look at the Wikipedia article about [[Carolyn Doran]] (the former Wikimedia Foundation COO who was a convicted felon).  Do you feel that both articles appropriately address each subject neutrally?  Do you feel that each has received attention equal to their real-world notability?  Do you feel that the co-founder of Wikipedia using private back-channels to &#8220;help out&#8221; a lover&#8217;s article is an appropriate use of the project&#8217;s labor and goodwill?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re recommending to your readers that they tie one arm behind their backs and &#8220;play nice&#8221;, while their competitors engage Wikipedia in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY the co-founder and his insiders engage the project &#8212; to their own self-interested benefit.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s bad advice to your readers, at least in a capitalist economy.</p>
<p>Final note: don&#8217;t fall into the tired old pablum which states that &#8220;paid content is not as high quality or of good use to the average reader as voluntarily-written content&#8221;.  I assure you, Wikipedia readers are much better served by a paid-entity seeding an article about Company XYZ, than relying on the &#8220;volunteer community&#8221; to launch (perhaps next week, perhaps next month, perhaps never!) an article about Company XYZ, or (even worse) promptly writing a garbage article that contains false information, an undue quantity of criticism, and a complete misunderstanding of the business.</p>
<p>Right now, the Wikipedia article about [[Comcast]] has a &#8220;Category&#8221; at the bottom which states:</p>
<p>Companies based in Mississippi</p>
<p>Oh, really?  Yeah, I guess Comcast is based in Mississippi in the same way it&#8217;s based in Illinois, and Georgia, and Massachusetts, and Arizona, but those states aren&#8217;t similarly categorized around the Comcast article.</p>
<p>About seven days ago, I informed the &#8220;Wikipedia community volunteers&#8221; of how misleading this is (to define Comcast as &#8220;based in Mississippi&#8221;), but their effort to correct this perplexing information was half-hearted and ultimately not resolved.</p>
<p>If they fail on something this simple to correct, how do you think they will do on something really important and contentious?</p>
<p>Yet, you would prefer beating your head against the Wikipedia wall, abiding by their rules that their leaders habitually ignore?  Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working in the political/government sector, we have a rule of thumb: would we be embarrassed if this showed up on the front page of the Washington Post?

Seems to me communicators could approach working with Wikipedia in the same way. Would you be embarrassed if the NYTimes did a story about you correcting a false account of your company/client? Likely not, nor would the Times likely even think it was newsworthy.

Now, if you had a crisis situation going on and you were actively editing Wiki to control the story, I could see that as very embarrassing.

As always, a little common sense goes a long way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working in the political/government sector, we have a rule of thumb: would we be embarrassed if this showed up on the front page of the Washington Post?</p>
<p>Seems to me communicators could approach working with Wikipedia in the same way. Would you be embarrassed if the NYTimes did a story about you correcting a false account of your company/client? Likely not, nor would the Times likely even think it was newsworthy.</p>
<p>Now, if you had a crisis situation going on and you were actively editing Wiki to control the story, I could see that as very embarrassing.</p>
<p>As always, a little common sense goes a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Defren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Defren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gregory - Your comment is clearly fascinating but I cannot suggest to my readers that they try to scam the system.  I know this is akin to a holy quest for you, and I appreciate your views, but simply cannot agree.

@John - You made my point to Ed Lee better than I did, and I thank you for it!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gregory &#8211; Your comment is clearly fascinating but I cannot suggest to my readers that they try to scam the system.  I know this is akin to a holy quest for you, and I appreciate your views, but simply cannot agree.</p>
<p>@John &#8211; You made my point to Ed Lee better than I did, and I thank you for it!</p>
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